Corps Stories Innovators S1E3 - Corpsmen Sabrina Greene and Aysha Barber

Corps Stories Innovators Series 1 Episode 3: Corpsmen Sabrina Greene and Aysha Barber - Intent2Heal

Podcast for 1st part of interview: https://anchor.fm/i2h/episodes/Inspiring-Guest-Meriwether-Ball-CEO--Founder-of-Corpsstories-com-egt65g

Intent2Heal: https://www.intent2heal.com/

YouTube version of this podcast: https://youtu.be/Nl9MZPaniFU

Transcript

Intent2Heal Zoom Podcast

  Corps Stories. Ordinary Marines. Extraordinary lives.   

Meriwether: [00:00:09] Hey everybody listen today we have these two Corpsmen and I love them.. These two women are doing something so innovative  and it's so simple, I guess it's sort of like the new high tech managed version of.  military hotline,  they bring their expertise and their experience to save the lives and be a great intervention for people in the military and out.

But it's really the people in the military who concerned me the most. It says strangely was something that the VA as not. And I love them for it. Anyway, get to know the two Corpsman from Intent to Heal and, relax  and I've got you on the other side.   Sabrina: [00:01:00] thank you. Thank you, ms. Meriwether. 

Meriwether: [00:01:02] It's wonderful to see you. Wonderful to see you again. 

Sabrina: [00:01:07] So, I guess I'll start, backstory. So Aysha we, we worked on the same psych ward forever, and at that time I was active duty. She had already gotten out, she ordered her stint in the Navy and everything.

And, ironically enough, when she and I met, we were both pregnant at the same time. So that's happened three times now.

Yeah. So yeah, we are, we are besties for life.

That's right. So, yeah, that's how we met, we work at 12 hours on a psych ward and we loved it. Like,  it's work. So you have your days, or there's some worse than others, but for the most we loved it. Loved psych love, interacting, doing groups. the psych ward. predominantly served just the military folks, every now and then when I first started working there, get a couple of dependents for both of the most part.

It was just military folks and great journey. I never would imagine myself working in mental health ever. I thought actually before I even got anywhere near psych ward. I wanted to be a pilot. I did, but I do not have the vision. 

Meriwether: [00:02:08] Yeah. Perfect vision. Doesn't it? Yeah. 

Sabrina: [00:02:11] I failed that test four times, so so yeah, so we, weren't on the psych ward forever. We'd loved it. I loved the groups 

I let interacting with with the doctors and kind of watching how they do things, but we noticed over time because  mental health is still kind of climbing out of a stigma and that's just with regular civilian life, but it's kind of doing worse than the military side.

And we noticed we had a lot of people,  they would come to the psych ward,  get whatever they needed to get there and then be sent right back out to to wherever they just came from. And sometimes that worked for people, but for the most part, it didn't always work like cases of some sexual assault or any sort of abuse, whether it be mental or physical or any, any type of abuse.

Sometimes,  we either, can't either that command can't transfer that person fast enough or,  a lot of bureaucratic hurdles,  between that person's mental health and safety and their job. And,  the military is very, very,  mission. Oriented. I mean, that's how we're set up with task supposed to be.

But  when it comes to people's safety, that kind of took a real backseat. So some people would come,  to a psych ward, they has, he been,  have great, they have a great kind of outcome and then gets them right back to where they were. And so they're out of that zone of,  being able to continue the progress that yeah, I had made.

so we saw a lot of repeat customers come through. Some people come in.  we teach them skills and sometimes those skills aren't even applicable where they're going, or they try to enact those skills, but they're not in an environment to where they can do that or, or,  or there, or thier op-tempo is so high, they can't go to the appointments all the time where they're told to see their ship psychologist, but that, person,  liked we talked about before,  Is it still an officer they still offer duties to do so they can't always facilitate groups and things like that.

And so we noticed that real gap,  between in that continuum of care. so that was like one motivating factor, another motivating factor we noticed what, that,  helped us build this business was we noticed like, Sometimes the providers are just crammed with like a lot of patients that's they can't always really give that time and attention to, I can only imagine,  being a practitioner is what you went to school for us, which you want to do, and you can't always see everybody in the, alotted times you want to see them.

And so that was also an issue. And then of course, scheduling, scheduling, scheduling, scheduling. Some people would see a doctor one month and then maybe not seeing for him to later, or if they have to reschedule two months out, it was just ridiculous. Same on VA side too, that we're been dealing with for years.

Yeah. It's real bad. I used to work for VA too, so yeah, it's really bad. so we kind of saw a need read and it was one of those we're willing. But not exactly able cause we weren't doctors,  we weren't psychologists or counselors though. That's what we are in school for were like, what can we do in the meantime until we get to that spot?

And so that's when we came up with intent to heal, which is basically like, okay,  yes, we birth birth in the military environment, but we're for everybody. And,  our, our goal is to help people really realize what those mental health goals are they have for themselves. Help them to

 be accountable for where they're trying to be. We're not doctors, but let's break down what your doctor told you to do, or you haven't seen a doctor yet, but what is, what is inside of you that you're trying to get to right now? How can we check in on you? How to keep you accountable for what you said you're going to do.

did you say you want to improve your self esteem? Okay. Well, we're going to get on a call once or twice a week, and we're going to check when you, how do you feel about yourself today? We're going to do some exercises, really build that up so that way in between appointments or,  until you can get to a doctor.

There's someone in your corner being a cheerleader for you being a coach for you saying, Hey, let's work on this. Hey, I noticed you did this last week. Let's do this different,  things and keeping track of it. We're virtual. So we'll be able to email you what you did, how we can improve what we haven't changed.

So we really want to have that. In their factor, but be flexible. That's why we're online even pre COVID too. 

Meriwether: [00:06:12] that's the definition of innovation.  this whole series is about innovators. And when you saw this problem and in an ideal world, you would have. Certification skill X, Y, Z, to deliver it in perfect setting, but that's not life.

That's not reality. And these people need you right now. So the fact that you were able to identify that's the precious value 

in your work 

and your. Initiative, this, this intervention you've designed is brilliant for my perspective. And, and it's also replicable from my perspective. So you could grow it very easily, but I just completely value that you were able to say, look, what we have to offer right now can resolve or help to resolve these pitfalls.

We see. In the system in the, in the official system, in the military, mental health care world. And so I just completely valued that. That's how you got here. It's fascinating to me that you dreamt of being a pilot though, because that's very,  put my hand in the air, like high flying. That's very, It's an extraordinary goal for anyone to be a pilot.

I mean, not only the physical demands, the mental demands, the intellectual demands are perhaps some of the most in all of military work. So 

Sabrina: [00:07:53] there, 

Meriwether: [00:07:54] yeah, it is. It's way up there. It's just a extraordinarily demanding goal, but that, that you. Trumped of that tells me so much about you. It tells me how big you think, and that's explains perhaps how you were able to come up with this.

Because as I said in, when I was here, I guess I had the beautiful honor being your guest last week, that listeners really need to listen to that, to completely value this podcast. But, that   that this is. This is a situation where the military means so well, but perhaps in the first time in our history, the military is really taking seriously and measuring the cost of mental health problems and they can't keep up.

They can't keep up. So I, So that's why it seems to me that this is a brilliant, that YouTube came up with really a brilliant situation. The fact that there's two of you though see that teamwork business is you can encourage each other. 

Sabrina: [00:09:00] Is that right? Yeah. Oh, all the time we, we definitely are like, I wouldn't even say yin and yang.

We're kinda like a puzzle piece. We just kind of fit. where I'm like, she's strong where she's,  and vice versa. but yeah, definitely. And  between, I think,  in our last podcast, I told you how many kids we have between each other. So, yeah. Yeah. We definitely, we bounce off each other with each other and our families too.

Her family 

supportive, my family support. So it's 

really like a, like a community effort just about.  we're each other's support system. 

Meriwether: [00:09:31] And so this, the, the delivery of this intervention is that interesting too, that you're, you're just capitalizing on the internet and the accessibility the internet provides, which is very 21st century.

and, but you're really using old, old tools in the sense you're using the medium of the internet, but you're just using sort of encouragement, accountability. 

Sabrina: [00:09:55] Yeah. 

Meriwether: [00:09:56] So tell me how that delivery has been. Has it been pretty smooth or maybe not hitches? 

Sabrina: [00:10:04] So, initially I'm just, I'm not gonna lie. So,  I told you about our struggles and, and, the interview that we did on my podcast last week.

And so that was one of the issues was okay, we got this idea. We want to do the internet. How do we do this? and then little tidbits of business that you just never think of. Like,  not only how are we going to deliver this, but  how are we going to keep it separate from our personal lives and that not using our personal phone numbers or,  or location. Pre COVID we did have the idea of doing at least one or two in person meetings.  try to be able to do that. And. It's so funny by the time we were able to do that and that's when COVID hit. So we finally got a place,  out in town that we could an office, we could,  do a person things with.

But,  but yeah, that was definitely one of those things. But after we kinda discovered we could do zoom or, Just recently we copped on the Cisco WebEx, some looking at leveraging that platform as well. but yes, so far it was, it was a Rocky start. we even found, Oh my gosh, like there was, there's a lot of, because we were so used to working under doctors and things.

There were a lot of things that we didn't realize that we were shut out of because we don't, we're not practitioners. And so there's a lot of online, virtual gateways that doctors use with patients and things like that. And we're just,  We're different. So we're trying to like, okay, do we use this?

Is this HIPAA compliant? Yeah. 

Meriwether: [00:11:30] Yeah. And there's the things 

Sabrina: [00:11:32] that we care about too, because we also ran into a lot of, I don't want to. Would say run of the mill, but a lot of fly by night, online coaches as well. And we knew we definitely had to be different. We like, in ourname, we had to be intentional.

We're not doctors, but we want to give our patients that feeling of trust and security. And so it, it took months to really be like, okay, What are we qualified for? How do we fit? What not, what can we get away with, but how can we Viggo here? How can we wiggle there? And so far zoom has been okay to do, because we don't necessarily, because they're not practitioners,  it kind of works in our favor that we're not talking about anything, life or death or pertinent, no socials, nothing like that.

So that's good. but  we still, we're do remain HIPAA compliant. So it is confidential and we do have contracts made. So people,  even just signed piece of paper, knowing that my information is safe and protected. They're  they're legally,  binded to this. And so am I, so,  we want to give that level of trust.

And so after kind of going through those weeds, we. Well,  we kind of have like a nice settling place here. So zoom is good. And we kind of paired that with,  legal, documentations, and Hey, we'll keep,  what we do our business. That's our, that's our promise. That's our agreement to 

you.

And so perhaps you could share like in an anonymous way some of the, who would be a good candidate for this people, perhaps real stories, real stories to give the listeners an idea of perhaps themselves or other people they know. Right. Yes, so, Oh 

gosh. so we both get, we get formal and we get informal requests actually.

the informal coming from like our own personal lives, we get forensic family. That note we're doing that kind of tag us a little bit. So I will say we're on the spectrum of anywhere from military civilian, everywhere between, but for start as a base point, adults, 

we don't do anything involving 

kids, anything like that.

but. One scenario we had recently, was actually a dependent, out in 29 Palms. Yeah, we had, she had someone tagged us from there and she was having self esteem issues in her marriage. And so she reached out to me and I just happened to be up at like, Oh, dark 30. I got this request. so I was, I was up and I got the request and I.

First of all, every single one I get I'm so honored to have. I'm just, I feel like, okay, it's go time. I take it very, very seriously. And so does Aysha whenever she gets tagged, it's like, boom, okay, how can I give you the best of myself? So,  she tagged me and she let me know, Hey, this is where I am.

I'm alone. This is what I'm dealing with. she was having issues in her marriage, not feeling like she was enough. And she was having issues of loneliness because,  if you're, if anyone is familiar with 29 Palms, op-tempo can be high. Sometimes people come in and out all the time, covid or not

there's still missions happening around the world, whether we wanna talk about it or not. And so she was dealing with,  Being married to someone in the military that was in and out. And sometimes both as not only just a spouse as a military spouse, I have deployed. And so is my husband. And so I understand both sides of the spectrum on that.

On the one hand, I do get those loneliness feelings. And on the other hand, understand that when you're in that mission mode, you don't always turn those emotions back on. When you get back home. And so I was able to identify with,  let her know, Hey, so we,  we could, we set up a little, a chat and everything and I let her know, Hey,  this is probably what's going on on his mind, and this is what you can do to help.

And then, yeah, so that just follow up and there'll be it. They get to pick where there's a phone call or a zoom or an email, whatever they're comfortable with. You don't have to check, check in and say, Hey, remember what we discussed? Did you do those things or how do you feel after you did, or did you see a change when you did X, Y, and Z?

And so keeping that documentation and being able to email back and forth so that they can see what we've talked about, what we're going to talk about, where we are now,  and type of issues that we're still dealing with. And so at this point it's really just working on with her self esteem that spouse,  letting her know a lot of times, even in a marriage, even though we're supposed to be one

 we do have personal issues that we have to hash out between us and God. We do at the end of the day. And we, and we can't take on that baggage all the time, even though we're supposed to be one, we can be supportive and hold them up, but we can't take on their struggle. And so I kind of. I share my experience.

I've been married six and a half years now, and I guess I'm in a military relationship. And so I understand both sides, both being the one that's staying at home and waiting and being the one that has had to leave and come back is try to wind it down. So I was able to give her both sides. They're saying, Hey, why are you waiting this is what you can do,

you can do. Or while he's out, this is why he's having a hard time. Probably,  coming back and able to try to dial that thing down. And so I was able to kind of help alleviate some of that guilt. She was having, feeling like,  she wasn't a help or that she didn't matter, but they don't know, basically it's more so in his head than it is you doing anything wrong.

So 

Meriwether: [00:16:35] I love that.  I think the needs of, of spouses and partners in the military is very unique. It's a very unique set of needs and.  I, there there's advocacy and support for military partners. Yeah. But it's not something, sometimes that's a little too official, sometimes you really need somebody who is not, it doesn't have a title in the military community, that you're in, to hear your stuff and you really want something more confidential.

and more intimate in the sense that you are able to tell your story and advocate isn't necessarily able to do that.  perhaps, sometimes people who are in a military environment, they're a partner or they're active duty. They're living on base. They living in the situation of trying to meet the needs of the service member.

They have unique needs, and especially at a certain age, these young, very young people , although there's a tremendous amount of leadership and support their means to be anyway, it's very hard. The demands are so hard and if. If there is enough time in the military, that there have been traumatic events and mental health issues present in a family that can be, have a ripple effect.

Yeah. I saw a study that said actually depression is contagious, but if you're in a relationship with someone who's depressed has clinical depression. There's a very high likelihood. You'll come down with 

Sabrina: [00:18:17] it. Yeah. 

Meriwether: [00:18:19] So. I can, I can see that, as I've said in your podcast, you were value proposition 

your value proposition is that,  the system from a. Professional angle that you, you work at you're in, you're in it, you're working it, but  from a personal angle too. From your own personal experience, it has. There's just no one who could replicate that. No provider could replicate that outside of the military.

Now I know that you provide this, your service to anyone who would come forward, but I think that you have great value to the military community, but also a great voice of advocacy yeah. In this. so I wanted to kind of. Unpack that part. Okay. And talk to you about your future, what your plans are for the future.

Now I know this is a brand new infant organization, a year old, but I think that it could grow well. If you keep dreaming big. No. 

Sabrina: [00:19:29] Oh yeah. Oh yeah. definitely. So we have spot of the future and it's so funny because, we had like the running joke Aysha and I were like, so after we did our LLC. 

Oh, we were at Norfolk and one of the buildings that we would be able to work out of at that time was like, it's like one of the tallest buildings in North Africa, what it's called, it's like the dominion tower or something, 

Meriwether: [00:19:53] but it's super, it's super huge.

Sabrina: [00:19:54] And like the offices that we would, that we were like aiming to use it at the 25th floor. Right. So we could see everything we're super hype. And we're talking about how we work there. Or we can go to Virginia Beach. And basically we said we were living a rolly bag life, 

like, so we got a Rollie bag now, so we're going to get really bad and we're going to be able to go everywhere. So 

that was like one of our. Kind of like our little baby dream at the time. But as we started working this thing, we were like, we really want to be accessible. And so it's actually,  obviously pre COVID. We had plans to be able to hop from different points around the U S to be able to offer our services in person, or to link up with businesses and organizations.

To be able to do what we do, but mobily out of our Rollie bags. Wow. 

That's 

a system it's hop around and be tangible to not just stay on only online, but to be able to touch people, talk to people, we'll give hugs, eye contact, really be just in the moment with people. I will say when I used to do, Groups a group therapy with patients, back on the ward.

That's one of the things I prize the most was even though it's 20 people in a room, I wanted to make each person feel like I was listening to them each and every person around the room. So when they would tell me about how their day was or how their sleep was, I wanted,  Not in agreement, make eye contact, use their name.

And that's what I want to bring to each. And every section, you don't have to be a doctor too. Do that. Just being a human being, even if it's different perspectives, different background. I don't care about that in this moment. Well, how did you sleep? How was,  how do you think that affected the dah dah, dah?

Like things like that. I want to be. Tangible, and very personable because I know, like you said earlier, a lot of times people do need help in the military. It's so official. It's so kind of, it's kind of, I mean, they do mean well, but just, just to go get something real quick,  there's sometimes will be paperwork involved or chain of command and ball.

Like you just want to be able to just. Talk to somebody connect with somebody real quick. And so looking forward, that was pre COVID. 

One of the goals to do was to have Roley bags. And so we can be that connection in person for whomever needed it. I will say right now, some of those future goals are kind of having to be revamped, certainly.

but ultimately we do want to Expand. We want to grow to at least another five, 10, 12 people. So we can replicate this process in other ways and be more accessible because as much as I want to talk to every single person, I know that's not going to be possible every single time. Right. And, and we do plan on boarding and becoming certified, right.

like I want to do professional counseling and she wants to do, professional, social workers, things like that. So I know that. We will have different type of constraints, but also different freedoms, but we're going to need people like us on our level to do the same thing that we're doing now.

And so that is like the two, five year goal is to hire people and to also,  make it be a family for every person that we hire is going to be very, very serious, very, very conscious decisions and as having had an ever, having to be after having being a employee and becoming an employer .

I definitely there's a lot of things will be taken into account when we're bringing somebody on really and make sure they're understanding the foundation  of what we stand for, the spiritual foundation, the mental, emotional things that it'll take and letting them know that as an employer.  you're going to have this many benefits offered to you.

This skillset offered to you. So even if you leave us, you'll work for somebody or start your own business better than what you came to us. And so that is the, the future goal there. I, I don't know if you eat Chick Fil A, but it's just about the same experience of where you go. So that's kind of what I'm aiming for.

 it's our pleasure. 

Meriwether: [00:23:37] Well, and formality of service is absolutely important for yours and for the success of your clients. Yeah, I really, see the value in the progression of your own professional goals for your organization. And it does, it does give you, more Liberty, but more responsibility and, but you're able to help more people.

And, so. I had shared a bit about my personal journey. And one, one thing that I see as being valuable here is, I had a tremendous amount of childhood trauma and I, it presented a lot of problems in adulthood that no one could have told me about. So there with. Traumatic events, especially in young people, children and young adults, there's definitely a domino effect.

and, and some of it really is exponential and, and wreckage. The way that I came to heal though, was a series of steps that were specific for me. But not unique to my illness. So my, the first thing I did was get sober 24 years old, 32 years of sobriety this past may, eh, big deal, really big deal, but nothing would happen good without that plant that beginning.

And that developed a spiritual relationship for me. And then a lot of counseling and diagnosis with the PTSD. Then being saved in Christianity and, coming to have a relationship with Jesus Christ. This is all for me. More counseling, and stepping away from AA meetings, but completely continuing to embrace AA 

philosophy.

Sabrina: [00:25:32] Yeah. 

Meriwether: [00:25:33] For me. And just for me, AA meetings are sort of a dangerous place because. Many times in meetings, it's the retelling of the most traumatic events of the person's life. And for me, that's very difficult to hear because my PTSD was so severe then, after all of those steps of progression, I, I got the stellate ganglion block and that relieved.

A tremendous amount of things that I thought would never be relieved that were by that sort of scientific biological and modern medicine has relieved at, in other words, I think most people thought that therapy or psychological approaches could resolve flashbacks and nightmares, but I had been doing that for 50 years and it hadn't helped.

The stellate, ganglion block relieved those things. It does not mean that I'm no longer a victim of the traumas I survive. So yeah. So I have to deal with that, but I'm not burdened by the mental illnesses of flashbacks and nightmares and all of the ramifications, like anxiety for, for those things. But that was the one common thing that I found in.

I have found in people in the military and outside the military is it doesn't matter what the trauma was. If you have PTSD, you have the same symptoms as I have. It doesn't matter. Or your age, your 

demographics, 

your nationality, you are going to have the same symptom, someone else PTSD. Yep. So. In the military, this is an extremely common illness, but it's very common in the civilian world too.

So you're, you're working with people who have this very common diagnosis, relatively speaking, a common diagnosis of, but they have sort of one walk in life that military walk. You are able to address that with this, the skills of the psychological trainings that you've had, the military trainings you've had your faith and your background in that 

Sabrina: [00:27:54] to anyone.

Meriwether: [00:27:56] Yeah. So it is something that your skills are something that I know from personal experience can translate to. people of all walks that have trauma based illnesses, or other stress related illnesses, depression can be a stress related on this, right. 

Oh, 

Sabrina: [00:28:19] yeah, definitely. and one thing I forgot to mention, in our future plans was, the inclusion of family and treatment and family is not always people that you're born with.

And family is usually the first, first line of defense, especially with psychological or mental health first aid. And so I never want to, or us, whether we're doing it as coaches or prefer professional practitioners and things like that, I never want to take the place of someone's right. family or their support system.

, I will love to be in a position to advocate for that person, but also empower the family because I mean, I don't live in the house every day. I don't, I don't see your call you every day. So I would like for us to be in a position to where. We can not only empower the individual, but that support system.

I will say that was one glaring lacking thing. When we encounter patients at our job that we used to work at, people are oftentimes isolated, not necessarily in their minds, but physically geographically from their Everyday support system. And as either, whether you're in 20 years, two years or two months, that does make a difference, whether you're estranged from your actual family, but you had your own people have Navy Marine families all the time that they're separated from.

So if we could kind of. Penetrate that support system, not just talk the individual because I could talk their heads off and give him skills all day. But if they go back certain environments or around the people that they love, and they don't know the signs or the warning signals, then what I did was almost a cycle, a waste of time because they won't have anyone around to be accountable or help them, continue in their journey.

So that's one thing I do aim for us to do in some form or fashion is to penetrate those support systems for those families, to be able to empower them to saying, Hey, this person reached out for help. This is the warning signs, or this is what they need to do accountable for. Here you go here. I want to pass it off to you.

I don't want to be a one stop shop or anything. I want to be a step in the journey saying, Hey, let me empower you, but also your family, right? Your support system. we do have people in here in the military as they sound funny, but. They want to join because they want to see the world and then they get depressed, suicidal, upset, because yeah.

They missed their family, but they joined because they want to travel. But sometimes they don't always conceptualize the ramifications of doing that.  you have to leave where you're,  where you're from,  to get where you want to go next. And sometimes the.  just that, that shock of, Oh snap, I really did do this,  and we all make mistakes.

We all do things like that. We all find a percent that we don't understand what really sign up for and that's okay. Like, it sounds silly, but we all do it. And so I want to really hone in on people like that. They say, Hey, I did. Do this as a constant decision, but man, I sure am lonely or no one in my family gets it.

 they see me as a Patriot or they're not in the military. They don't understand what I'm doing. So I can't really talk to them or,  or it's like,  try to move having nurses to get an appointment, but I really don't need this level of acuity of appointment. I just need someone to talk to and we just kind of slide in there saying, Hey, we understand what you did.

We wanted it to let's talk about it. No, you don't need to go to your, to your CEO about it. No, you don't need to make a whole appointment somewhere and try to get a duty vehicle to go get there. Like now we're just kind of, if you have a cell phone, you can contact us. 

Meriwether: [00:31:43] Now, what about that? Is it possible that somebody and their partner could reach out to you in, in, in the current arrangement, in the current level of organization and say, Hey.

 I'm, I'm deploying he's home. Can you sort of talk to us? Oh, 

Sabrina: [00:32:02] Oh, definitely. Oh definitely. Oh my gosh. I, I prefer that way better than I passed since I did not like talking to spouses just one at a time. I couldn't stand it. I know oftentimes best don't go to a sacrifice apartment together or go to an inpatient unit together, but it was just always like an inside pet peeve of mine.

Cause it's like, You're supposed to be one or sometimes they say, Oh, well, I don't want to burden my partner with this. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We need both. We need both sides. And  I'm not like a trained marriage, Catherine that's like that, but I can speak from my personal experience, working on the psych ward, being married to someone that's active duty,  now I've gotten out and I'm reserved, but we were acting together.

So we know all those, all those things. So yes, I heck yes, we, we prefer to talk to them. What about together? 

Meriwether: [00:32:52] What about like, A parent, like a lot of times parents take care of, if it's a single parent take care of grand babies, parents take care of the household or take care of their. So what about the, the person with the mental health need and another family member who perhaps is not at that same level?

Like parent or, 

Sabrina: [00:33:16] Oh yeah. Oh, yeah, we can hit up. We can hit all those points. but I like how you, how you mentioned,  those different parts of the family, because ideally if I could put them all, yeah, I would. But we, we reach out to everybody in between like military, civilian, they fall in the, in between.

Are you a best friend? Are you a cousin? Are you a cousin of a cousin because there's so many ins and outs. Yeah. For lack of better terms, like you can't just. Call a regular number and figure out, like, for example, we always got family members calling the clinics are the worst thing. Well, my spouse  how do I do this?

And we said, Oh, we can't block. We can't tell you don't even wanna spend the time. Okay. To let  but we're kind of like the, Hey, we know how this works. This is why they can tell you, this is why they can't tell you this. This is what we can do. And I like, I am a more of a Kandoo lesson. Work on what we can do to help you out.

Let's I don't want to just connect you to resources that I found on Google. I've talked to this person, this resource personally, I'll connect you first name basis to this person since I can't physically get to you. And there's lots of untapped community resources, especially out here where we live, in the Portsmith Hampton roads area.

So,  we, we do like to be able to try to help as best we can with people that are on both spectrums or in between. 

Meriwether: [00:34:35] Aye. Aye. Aye. I get this and I, I appreciate it. So that there's, that there's also the privacy, validation and confidence, between you and I just, I mean, I know so many people right now who, would value this, this organization, this product here, it's really an intervention because you've identified all of the things that.

are, are needed to not provide it. and it's, I liked the example you used in some of the examples in the podcast for your, your podcast. and so there's, there is a lot of, I see a lot of value to this. I'm really I'm really, Thrilled about this and it is very innovative. You two are innovators.

There's no, there's no two ways about it, especially the, you were able to solve these problems along the way that the obstacles,  you're facing all the obstacles, corporate obstacles, medical obstacles, legal obstacles,  and  I, as you grow, you're going to continue to, but every time you solve one, you have, now you have.

That Concord. Yeah. You can have confidence to con to conquer these other things, but I do also appreciate that you say about,  the food is who's to say what the title of a support system is,  is it your cousin? Is it your.  who, whatever, they're just people who you, who these people rely on.

And they're often very willing to probably step into a zoom with you 

Sabrina: [00:36:05] with them, 

Meriwether: [00:36:06] like, as a, as a team. so I, I completely, and so you offer right now, you offer it's, just a point of care payment. Situation that you don't accept insurance because you're not boarding yet. But what is the timeline for that?

Sabrina: [00:36:24] What do you mean by timeline? Like how quick someone could get? 

Meriwether: [00:36:27] No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, well that too, but also how long till you finish your, degree in this, you already have a degree. 

Sabrina: [00:36:35] Yeah, I have, yeah, I have a 

Meriwether: [00:36:37] degree in medical science. It was one of those. I just picked up the types of degrees I made, but it's helped now.

Sabrina: [00:36:43] But right now I am a psychology and biblical studies major. Yeah. And so I right now, cause I don't know how long it'll take plus the boarding process. I'd say about, about a year. Yeah. About a year out. That's fine. 

Meriwether: [00:36:58] It's actually a short,  it's, it's, it's a relatively short period of time. So, listeners can find  you  at intent2heal.com  

Sabrina: [00:37:07] so if no one wants to click around the website, you can literally scroll down and like, you'll see, pass our pictures and, and some of our coaching products, then you'll see. a calendar on there and the first one is free. Like, you can just call us like a 45 minute discovery call. We get to know who you are, what your situation is so we can best suit you.

And what I love about what we do is that yes, while we do have set courses that we offer in that discovery call, we can. Put together something unique per person because all of our contracts and everything is customizable. So just because you may see, we do have a free course on there and things like that.

And we do have paid courses and coaching scheduled for like five, eight, 10 weeks out,  during that discovery call, that's the first step and figured out, or one of those for you, or do we need to make something different? 

Meriwether: [00:37:55] Because we can do that. I love that. I love that so much. Oh, my goodness. It's so exciting.

I can't wait to watch. I can't wait to watch what happens with you two, and this organization. 

Sabrina: [00:38:06] Thank you. 

Meriwether: [00:38:07] So, yeah, so I, I really, this has been fun and I want, I need the listeners to go back to listen.  I'm going to put a link in the description to the first part of this podcast, where I was your guest, and really get to know each other.

 there was, a lot wonderful background about your, the two of you and your story and, and really what's happening today and how people wind up. There and wind up at the hospital and then sort of out falls apart sometimes after that. 

Sabrina: [00:38:39] Aysha was on that one. That one's real good.

Meriwether: [00:38:42] I love her input. I love that. I do too. I love it. 

And you're right. That you two are like different leadership styles, but you really complimented, so I really, really love it. So let's do it again soon. How about that? Yeah, 

Sabrina: [00:38:58] definitely I'm open. 

Meriwether: [00:39:00] . All right. So we'll, we'll do it again. And, and I thank you and God bless you. Thank you. 

Sabrina: [00:39:07] Thank you,Miss Meriwether. You have a blessed day.

Meriwether: [00:39:09] Okay, love. Okay. Great. All right, sweetie. Have a great day. Bye bye. 

 Yeah. I told you they were brilliant and wonderful. Sabrina and  Aysha are two extraordinary corpsmen. And we in the Marine Corps community completely valued them and you will check them out. But if you have any thoughts from wanting to share them and, get in touch with them or with me, if need be anyway.

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