Corps Stories Innovators S1E8 - Filmmaker Michael Gier

Corps Stories Innovators Season 1 Episode 8: Filmmaker Michael Gier - Wounded Heroes Documentary Producer and Director

YouTube version of this episode: https://youtu.be/VDMkfcBDiwE

Documentary site: https://www.woundedheroesdocumentary.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wounded_heroes_documentary/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WoundedHeroesDocumentary/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/WHDocumentary

“Wounded Warrior” by Roger Stephens, and performed by Billy Dean, https://youtu.be/Ck9Bcqt3A8I

Transcript

CSI Podcast Michael Gier

  Good evening everybody. Thank you for checking out core stories, innovators again, this week we have on this podcast, a fascinating documentary film maker who has created a movie about very up to the minute modalities to treat post traumatic stress disorder, which of course doesn't a matter close to my heart.

 and he actually covers one of the modalities. So there is more discussion, not only about this brilliant director, Michael gears film, but also my experience with getting help from one of these modalities, the stellate ganglion block.

In sometimes of course, stories doesn't focus just on Marines. Although there are Marines, wonderful Marines interviewed in this film, but when it comes to the illness of PTSD, I just can't bring myself to, to just focus on how it affects Marines. It effects so many people. Who loved Marines, who support Marines, who have Marines in their family, and really anybody who suffered with PTSD.

I don't care what your walk is. I want you to feel better. So this, this film, this film maker wraps his arms around all kinds of people, veterans, first responders, and other survivors of trauma. Enjoy the podcast. I'll catch you on backside and thank you.   

Meriwether: [00:01:44] Michael Gier. I am completely honored to, host you today on Corps Stories Innovators, podcasts, because you certainly are an innovator.

You certainly have come up with an innovative way to discuss. Very recent news, and developments in the treatment of PTSD for veterans, but also for anybody. Yeah. So, I thank you so much for being my guest. Now, let me ask you, how did you come to make this beautiful movie? You 

Michael: [00:02:22] know, it all started with the music video, believe it or not.

It's been years, a little over three years, a guy named Roger Stephens wrote a song, and it's called wounded warrior. And they produced a music video that Billy Dean he's a country singer sang. And it was a really high quality, really nicely produced. Here's a good video. Okay. Roger, because I have a production company, I get emails weekly from a lot of different people wanting us to look at their films, their, this, or that.

He just wanted us to see his music video, just to see if we had any ideas to do something with them. And it was such a amazing song. Number one, quality. The of the filming of the music video. It was top notch, which we don't always see unfortunately. And the message of the music video was top notch and just grabbed me by my heart.

It was, I was, I was in tears, so I contacted Roger and I said, you know what? We need to make a feature film about this music video, as the inspiration and feature this song in the film. So we actually wrote a screenplay that is written. It's ready to go. It's a two hour movie. And we were going to be producing that first.

And as I started learning about posttraumatic stress, interviewing a veteran yeah. Military brass and finding out things like our veterans are on 16 drugs. Which are not necessarily helping. As many of them told me, it's just a band covering the problem, posttraumatic stress, but not actually solving the problem of it.

And so I thought, no, there's something wrong here. There has to be something else out there other than all the drugs that are handed out like candy. And that veterans say are destroying their lives. And so I decided to put a hold on it, a film and focus on the documentary. And so that's yeah, started the whole progression of doing the documentary, but it all started because of Roger's music video.

And I still plan to do that film. After the documentary is released. Hopefully we'll get investors who are excited about it and want to fund it and we'll produce it. 

Meriwether: [00:04:21] Good.  You know,

I have a lot of experience with one of the, well, some of the therapies you review and great, beautiful detail, you know, I'm a long time journalist and you, you. Conducted your interviews in a way that satisfies all of my journalistic ethics. And I was very, impressed with your,  research when you sat down with your interviewees and also with your ability to build trust with them and to focus on.

The goal.  I thought that you used your interview time with these people, so well, so that's one thing I wanted to say, well, thank you. 

Michael: [00:05:14] I appreciate that. It's my first time doing something like this. And so I wanted to be prepared and make sure I understood the topic and knew what questions to ask and was trying to look at it from all angles so that everything that needed to be talked about was talked about so that it could benefit.

The viewer and there's a lot of hours and hours and hours. Of course, 

Meriwether: [00:05:34] I can see that, 

Michael: [00:05:35] you know, that's on the cutting room floor and it was awfully hard. 

Meriwether: [00:05:40] It was all on location thing. That was very impressive to me also was that it was all on location. I mean, these weren't conducted. You know, green room or, and you know, any of that business, this was, you know, it real, real, real life stuff.

Michael: [00:05:56] We flew all over the country locations and, and I hired a local crew, which is also, I prefer not to do that. If we had a larger budget, we would have been able to bring a crew that we know is trustworthy and good. So every time. You know, I'd have to make sure that the DP and a sound person and anybody who was working with us that day or week, was doing the job I needed them to do.

And thankfully, I've done a lot of producing hundreds and hundreds of TV commercials, short films, internet videos, films, first documentary. But I I'm used to filming. I used to direct the, we used to produce it, so I know what I need. I know what I need them to do, but. It made the job a little harder, making sure I got what I needed when I, when they showed up, I'm like, Oh, I just hope they're going to be good.

Meriwether: [00:06:39] But you know, that makes it something of a social effort because you were really keeping it local, you know, you were engaging. The community and employing the community where these,  providers live and work and provide care. So in another, from another angle, that was a very, socially responsible thing to do.

Yes. My, my opinion. 

Michael: [00:07:06] Well, yeah. Well, thank you. And I think it was great because I remember one gentlemen that helped us out in Florida. Oh no. He was in Maryland.  I don't know if it was his father and his grandfather or maybe his grandfather, but he was so excited to work on this because of his military service of his, Parents or grandparents and he just couldn't do enough, to, we paid them, of course, but he was excited.

He wanted to be there. He was excited to do be part of a project that was going to help other people. So it was also nice to find people like that who really had a heart for what we were doing. And wanted to make sure it had the highest quality to benefit them. 

Meriwether: [00:07:42] Certainly, of course, of course. So, I don't know how much you know about me, but I'm going to kind of hijack this, this interview for the benefit of the interview.

Promise. I promise, hang on a second. I am a Navy veteran and I also am a survivor. You know, the truth is I'm an American woman and I don't know what it is about American women. But so many of us have survived, childhood trauma, domestic violence, social trauma. I mean it's. Yeah. So I'm not as much as I think that I'm unique.

I'm not too sure. My story is not terribly unique, but I had PTSD from childhood to the time that till 2017 and I had incorporated many modalities to help myself some of what you had covered in, in the movie. But.  nothing really stopped the nightmares and flashbacks. Nothing did nothing good. Yeah.

Things, things improved my life. Like, I got sober, like I'm 32 years sober now. Wow. I would love nothing more than a glass of red wine.

I know that's a slippery slope, for somebody who has that. The w the, vulnerabilities. I have mentally, but in 2017, I got the stellate ganglion block from Dr. Eugene Lipov. And it changed everything. Well it changed my life. I mean, it gave me life. I had never, I tell people this, that I had never wants even once a day in my life.

Felt that happy to be alive ever once in my life until 2017, the summer of 2017. 

Michael: [00:09:28] I did not know that that is fascinating. 

Meriwether: [00:09:30] July 14th and you know, it's independence day in France. So I've worked with anyway. So yeah. And so all of this, so many things that were discussed in your film about what happens after you feel better.

I can, I can attest to both sides of the coin. Now I can attest to, it's not that you want to die. It's just, you don't want to live. 

Michael: [00:09:57] Yes. You want the pain to stop. 

Meriwether: [00:09:59] You want is the pain, to stop, you just want, the, you just want, I, I likened it to having, you're a, you're a movie TV, man. It's like having video screens attached to my head.

All the time, if full, vibrant color of the worst days of my life and you just can't get away from it. And, I, you of course met Greg, who is, Dr. Lipov's a research assistant.  and he was the one who asked me when I first came around after. That first set of now I have had two other traumas since then and immediately had symptoms, but I go back to Lipov and I am better than I was to begin with.

So I do find that traumas can, restart the PTSD, but the block cures it. But my point is this that he said to me, Merryweather, how do you feel. And I said so noisy in here and he said, so many people say that. I said, I think all the flashbacks up in here and seeing all my life had audio and I didn't even know.

So what I'm saying is I think I went my first 54 years, not hearing. Half of what the ambient noise around me. And, and the thing is the fascinating thing is that Greg said that's so common. So, so I just want to validate the, the suffering and also the healing. And since then, I, the, lovely woman who works with  Dr. Lipov To, encourage post treatment modalities. Oh.

Michael: [00:11:49] Was that Dr. Springer. 

Meriwether: [00:11:50] Yes. 

Michael: [00:11:51] Oh, isn't she wonderful. 

Meriwether: [00:11:52] She she's wonderful. And she had some very insightful thoughts about this, but what she said that really rang true for me was.

Once you feel better, you have to do something with that. You know? And the thing that I wanted all my life, that PTSD, deprive me of was an education. I had no good memory. I couldn't concentrate, but boy, I'll tell ya. So that was the summer 2017, December of 2018. I graduated with my bachelor's degree with a 3.96.

Okay. Good for you. 

My master's that was at Regent university. I finished my master's degree at Texas tech 10 months later. 

Michael: [00:12:41] Oh my gosh. 

Meriwether: [00:12:42] And right now I am wrapping up, a master of science at the London school of economics. That's amazing. And I've just been accepted to a PhD program. And well, trying to do is illustrate the capacity.

That was, that was, that was locked up 

Michael: [00:13:00] and that there is hope that there are things that can be done that are life changing, give you your life back. And now you're accomplishing all these amazing goals that you've always wanted to accomplish. That's 

Meriwether: [00:13:10] a lot. So now I'm done taking over. 

Michael: [00:13:14] I love that story.

Meriwether: [00:13:15] Yes. So I, but I did want to, you know, make it clear to the, the viewers and listeners that this is not, you know, it's not theoretical. This is, this is a real, and I'm a very typical person. I think that as the, I love your interview with the.   army anesthesiology, 

Dr. 

Michael: [00:13:38] Turabi. 

Meriwether: [00:13:39] Who has a recent 

Michael: [00:13:40] army study.

Yes, 

Meriwether: [00:13:41] he was so skeptical. And I loved that. You selected him to interview. 

Michael: [00:13:47] Yeah. Well, let me explain that because we're talking about SGB and I think this is important. That's one treatment of many that are highlighted in the film and it's the most controversial. And so I spent a lot of time on SGB because I wanted to tell the whole story.

And I wanted to ask the questions that the critics were asking me, who said, do not put this in the film. I had a group of world renowned doctors emailing me saying, do not put this in the film. I'm sorry, but I'm putting it in the field. I am, because I've talked to so many veterans, so many seal team members, so many doctors in the military using SGB and nothing but positive, positive life changing results.

And so I see it's going in the film, but I think it's valid that everybody know that. There are a lot of critics out there and there are questions that need to be answered. And so I asked all of those questions 

Meriwether: [00:14:39] and 

Michael: [00:14:40] dr. Lipov and dr. Turabi answered them beautifully. And as you said, dr. Turabi saying when I first was introduced to SGB, I was like, there's no way of shots going to help PTs no way.

And he said the proof. That I saw in the most recent study with the army study that they just did that. He was it. 

Meriwether: [00:14:57] What was a part of it? 

Michael: [00:14:59] Yeah. He said the results were so tremendous. He goes, even though I was skeptical, he goes, I became a believer and I, now he now performs SGB his family, the families of the patients would say, Give them hugs and say, thank you for bringing my husband back from my wife back to back to who they were or the veteran themselves say, thank you.

I feel so different. I slept last night or whatever the case is, right? So it is life changing. It's not a cure. And as doc Springer was to tell you, and we talked about in the film, it's important to follow up SGB with other modalities, other treatments, forced therapy, art, which we'll talk we talk about in the film, which if you don't know much about that, I'd love to have you.

Try that that, or RGN will help you disassociate the emotions from the memories where you are able to remember the traumatic event, but you no longer have the emotion that goes with it. Those emotions that can be, you know, so painful. 

Meriwether: [00:15:51] Well, that, that, that was what the block did for me. I mean, I don't have nightmares and flashbacks anymore.

I don't have it. And that's good, but what I'm, but what I w what I was, I don't have them since I have a block. Yeah. So, This is something very important that the, the, the movie highlights this business of the value of other modalities. Now keep in mind that was in a woman. By the time I got the block, I had had lots of counseling and sobriety, longterm sobriety, and other, things that had helped me process as best I could with nightmares and flashbacks.

My experiences. So by the time I had the block, a lot of processing had been done, but many of the people in the film, any of the people who are suffering with this illness in the film are much younger than me and are coming to the table with having had this illness a handful of years. And, and so there, and I have to say your film.

Sadly, but truly it reveals how misdirected, so many of our veterans have been in the time between the trauma. At the time they find something that works that I do think everybody means well, and I think you would express that, that didn't basically the VA means. Oh, 

Michael: [00:17:22] absolutely. Yeah. But doing anything on purpose, they just think.

What they're doing is working in many times, especially with the drugs or the prolonged exposure therapy. Those things are, they don't work and they really need to stop handing out the drugs and the prolonged exposure therapy. 

Meriwether: [00:17:38] But what you also explained was that they do harm. It's not, it's not that.

It's not just that they don't work. They make, they make it worse. 

Michael: [00:17:48] You know, that's a very good point. And I'll tell you, this is, this is an investigative reporting type of documentary. I, all this stuff that you're talking about that is presented in the film I learned along the way. And it's because the veterans told me it doesn't work.

It. They told me how the drugs destroyed their lives. I was shocked at. Every time I interviewed a veteran, they would go down a path of telling me all the drugs they were put on and how it destroyed their lives, where they didn't want to live. They weren't who they used to be. The drugs took away the personality.

It took away them being the military trained professional that they were in the past, took away everything that prolonged exposure therapy made them feel suicidal because they kept bringing their worst nightmares in front of them over and over and over again. And some. And it's a fact commit suicide, most dropout, but there are a few others as we talk about in the film that have success with it, but then that success presented just so small.

You really, it's not, there's no value. And so it's the veterans who were telling me, which is why it was in the film. It was just me asking questions and being shocked at all these things that are happening to them with the idea that it's going to help them with that word. The reality is it doesn't 

Meriwether: [00:18:58] well, that's one thing I thought that that was so interesting about your film was that although you were.

Exploring these modalities, like the equine therapy, which such beautiful footage that drone footage of the loved it. Anyway, the ranch. yeah. but. So you have you have this, the drone, the, I mean the equine therapy, the art therapy, the, I can't remember the acronym for another one. 

Michael: [00:19:26] RTM. Yeah. Stellate ganglion block, programs. 

Meriwether: [00:19:30] My point was that in all these varied circumstances, There's a common thread to every single veteran's story. And that is being mistreated, not mistreated, medically, not treated physically, but they were not treated properly medically and, and every single one of the leaders of those therapies were ready to encounter that.

Yeah. I thought that was fascinating that they all knew what to expect from these veterans because. It's the same thing over and over again. 

Michael: [00:20:11] Yeah. And you know, the other thing I've found fascinating, and I experienced this myself.  I've seen veterans on Facebook pages who have just, I don't know them personally, but they put out a post just saying, you know, I'm not, I don't want anybody to respond.

But I, I just, I feel miserable and tired of suffering. I can't sleep. It's the middle of the night again, and it's just so hard living. And so I will reach out to them and say, look, I know a modality that is going to help you. We will, I will make a phone call and get you help tomorrow. And then sometimes they'll respond and go, okay, I'm interested.

And then. Within a few days, they've dropped off the face of the earth. Don't respond to me and haven't responded to the people at the experts. So put them in touch with who are going to help them 

Meriwether: [00:20:51] for free. 

Michael: [00:20:52] And so I've had this happen a number of times. And so I asked the veteran, why? Cause it makes no sense to me. And she had the perfect answer, which I had never even thought was possible. She said they are so tired of disappointment. 

Meriwether: [00:21:06] Yes. It being disappointed. 

Michael: [00:21:08] She said, when you get your hopes up and then once again, That treatment doesn't help. You doesn't work. You are so devastated. It can take months of deep, deep, deep depression that it didn't work out.

That when they get it, their hopes up again, they're at a point where it's like, I don't even want to go down this path. I don't want to try anymore because I can't live the next few months as depressed as I know I will be. If it's a failure, like everything on the 

Meriwether: [00:21:34] past. That's exactly. 

Michael: [00:21:36] I'm sure I was shocked if that makes sense.

Yeah. And that's one thing I want people to know about this documentary. The things that have been featured in this documentary are life changing. I really want to encourage them to take the step of following finding and following one of these modalities, trying it because as Sherry said, Anne and I talked about it in the documentary that I loved this line.

She said they found unicorns. They found something that. People don't think exists. And she said it exists. She was the one who said she went through months and months of depression. Every single time a treatment failed. She is the one who said this treatment did not fail me. This treatment saved my life.

I found a unicorn and anybody who's part of this treatment, they find unicorns. So there is hope. And I don't, I hate it when this veterans I know I can help with, by introducing them and they just won't do it. I trust, I don't know what to do, but I just, all I can say is encourage them, family, friends who encourage them try the modalities in this film and they can we'll get their lives back.

Meriwether: [00:22:36] Not only, not only that, but you sometimes you have to just come right out and say that a lot of people won't say that because they fear that. Being confrontational with somebody who's already fragile is a dangerous thing. But I would say having been there,  that you really do want something. I mean, if you, if I have 54 years old was willing to have somebody put a needle in my neck, then and I'm not a particularly brave person. Yeah. Then I think that most of my, and you know, what's interesting is that I did not try to sell. My experience to anyone. I know I didn't ever say to anybody, you should do this ever once, but in my small little Facebook family, so I don't have a lot of people, a hundred people, but I, the route, you know, like every day they know the process of applying for the the grant for it and then going and getting it. And then it was shocking. The people who messaged me, I never thought headed the problem or interest in the subject. They were interested. They were concerned. They were concerned for themselves and people they love. And so what I'm saying is talking about it, this movie. And you're talking about it, talking about the movie, like in this circumstance is a wonderful thing for anybody who has the illness and is still alive, because I can tell you right now, if you're still alive, you have even maybe tiny little bit, but you have hope.

Michael: [00:24:20] And as you mentioned earlier, posttraumatic stress. And I didn't know this when I started this project, but anybody who suffered it, traumatic event has post traumatic stress. We can have gets it, but so it can be, I thought it was, it's a military thing because I didn't know better, but police officers have a high suicide rate and struggle with a lot of postmarks.

So do firefighters first responders. and so this, this film turned out to be for all of them, all of our heroes. Yeah, it focuses more on the military only because I interviewed a lot of military, but it, all of the modalities work for anybody,  suffering or battling post traumatic stress, which is why I'm excited to get the film out, which it is going to be out in November for veteran's day. 

Meriwether: [00:25:02] Wonderful. How will it be released? How, how, how can 

Michael: [00:25:07] I'm so bummed because we were going to do a huge screening in San Diego, first of all, at the, on the USS midway. And then also we're talking about doing one in New York on the aircraft carrier there, but of course, because of covid, we shut everything down.

We were also going to have screenings all over the country, but the film is going to be available online. Number one, we're also setting it up so that it can be available using your smart TV so you can watch it in the comfort of your own home, whether it's through Hulu fire TV, there's going to be on the phone to watch it, whether you want to watch it online on your phone or on your television at home.

The biggest struggle we have is, you know, the marketing, getting the word out about this. So I'm reaching out to celebrities. I've got a number of friends who are celebrities and in hopes that they'll help out Tony Orlando, for those who know Tony, he's a big star from the seventies. 

Meriwether: [00:25:56] I love his music.

Yeah. 

Michael: [00:25:58] Tony Orlando. What's the, what's the yellow tie. That's Tony and Tony spent his life, you know, benefiting and helping veterans. He's so passionate and he and I became friends. Years ago, because I was performing in Branson, Missouri for five years in the Lawrence Welk show. Tony had a theater there performing, and I also was hosting a TV show, interviewing celebrities.

Is it local TV show that aired in three different States there? And, I didn't know it, but I went to see Tony show and I met him backstage and he knew who I was. And I'm like, How does Tony Orlando me? Cause I was a hero, huge fan. And watched your show, your TV show. I'm like, no, wait, Tony Orlando was watching my show.

So we we've been friends ever since. And, he still performs. So we went, saw him in Vegas, not too long ago. And it's such a great entertainer to this day that man, he knows how to entertain and put on a 

Meriwether: [00:26:50] flag. 

Michael: [00:26:51] He wants to help. He's he's a big supporter. He knows everybody, a lot of celebrities, Gary Sinise.

He knows the president because he used to work for him. And, I guess. 

Meriwether: [00:27:00] That's right. That's 

Michael: [00:27:01] right. Atlantic city 

Meriwether: [00:27:03] casino. 

Michael: [00:27:04] Yeah. He was the headliner at the casino. And so he can get the film, but I I'm. So I'm looking for, you know, big celebrities have reached out to Megan Fox. She's a huge supporter of veterans as well.

And it's not to say they're all going to help us because they're all busy. They've got their own causes. And, but she does a lot of great work for veterans. So there's just people like that. We're reaching out to in hopes that they have some extra time and they want to help us spread the word people with large  audiences, social media audiences, veteran organizations. They can send it out to their database. The bottom line is we need people to spread the word about this film because it is life changing. It will save lives, but only if they know about it, only if they watch it right. We don't have a big budget to it spend.

So I really it's a grassroots effort with people helping to spread the word so that once it's released in November, at the beginning of November, just after the election, people came. Watch it and get to life, change it. Even family and friends can watch it veteran military family member won't they can watch it learn and introduce it to them.

And it's also great. I've had veterans contact me so excited about the film because they said one guy just recently cause my wife doesn't you understand me? She doesn't understand what I'm going through. I don't know how to explain it to her. I can't wait for her to watch the movie so she can understand what I'm going through and how I feel in so many veterans in the film were brave enough to be completely honest.

And talk about who they are, what they've dealt with. The they considered suicide. One guy was just about to take his life by suicide. When his wife walked in and stopped them. They're all very brave in their honesty of what they're doing. And it's because of that and their honesty that, I think other family members or friends are fun to get to say, okay, now I get it.

This person explained what my husband or wife couldn't explain. 

Meriwether: [00:28:49] Yes. Well, that's, that's very true when you, the problem with one of the huge problems with PTSD is communication. Yeah, it's just very hard to communicate well, as you see, you see, if, if somebody told you like what these veterans have told you repeatedly the same symptoms over and over again, the same perspective over again.

But if one person just said that to you, wouldn't you kind of raise an eyebrow. Like really it's not that bad, but when you, so nobody wants to be minimized, nobody wants to have their symptoms. So you just, you just don't say anything.  And so I, yeah, I, but I just wanted to kind of clarify, it will be when it will be available will, will be Veteran's day this year.

But, but how, what will exactly, how will it be available online? Will it be through Vimeo or would it be another way? Yeah. 

Michael: [00:29:48] It would be through Amazon. We're going to put it on demand. 

Meriwether: [00:29:51] So wonderful through Amazon. Everybody has Amazon. 

Michael: [00:29:54] Everyone has Amazon. Exactly. They make it easy. . 

Meriwether: [00:29:56] I mean, that's that if it's available through Amazon prime, then I think that you'll be fine with respect to access because yeah, because, and especially in COVID I saw, I read yesterday that the owner of Amazon Jeff Bezos.

It's now worth $200 billion dollars because so many new subscribers to Amazon prime because of the code. 

Michael: [00:30:22] Yeah. And everybody's been shopping online instead of going out because we can't go with income tremendously. Yeah. He was at the right place at the right time. Wasn't he? 

Meriwether: [00:30:29] He was brilliant, but I will, but I just want clarify that so I can share, you know, with everybody.

So again, it's my total honor to have you on this, on this podcast, but really the innovation of know there's a lot of, documentaries out there about PTSD, but they. They don't focus on more than one or two modalities. And I really appreciate that you came to each one with something of a critical eye,  and so I value I so value your objectivity in this film and really questioning is this, does this one really work?

And really how does this work and what about this concern? And what about that concern? And, so I. I think it's a wonderful film. It's two hours long, almost two hours long. So it may be hard for people who have PTSD to watch it all in one sitting. But it is, it's hard to stop watching too, because you want to know about the next one.

And so I really look forward to telling you. The world about this. I will certainly share this podcast as wide and far as I can,  because it's, it's worthy. 

Michael: [00:31:47] Thank you. And we do have a website. If I can say it's.

Yeah, wounded heroes is the movie and the doc, the a website is wounded heroes.com.com. And there's an email list you can join that will give updates on when the film is being released, where it's being released, how it's available, anything you need. We're also going to have a resource page that will go live when the film is released and the resource page has.

Everything we've talked about in the film, how to reach out to any of those modalities and get the help needed even treatments using zoom like this. She don't have to leave your home or travel 

My pleasure. Thanks for having me 

Meriwether: [00:32:24] . Perfect pleasure. Bye bye.

  Wasn't that a great interview. I hope you're tempted to keep your ear to the ground about this movie. And I hope you will watch it. Very few people I know are not touched by the impact of PTSD. Most people I know either have it have had it. Or have a loved one who has it. So check out wounded heroes documentary when it comes out on veterans day, totally appropriate  anyway, hit subscribe. If you will. Thank you Dallas.